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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 9:35am

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We all separate art from artist to various degrees because we know that most musicians hold dubious views or have behaved in morally awful ways. Lennon was a domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for young girls—hell, most rock musicians in the 60s and 70s probably committed statutory rape (and in some cases unqualified rape) with groupies. So we pick and choose what lines are sacrosanct and rationalize or ignore other things. It doesn't make us hypocrites, only that a commitment to absolutes and purities is best spent alone in a cave.
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Play that funky music, a**hole!
I'm not following. Am I an asshole here?
I doubt very much he means you. The asshole in this case I expect being the whiteboy.
But I'm a white … *checks, shrugs* … boy.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Oct 2019, 9:40am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:35am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:04am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:57am
gkbill wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:53am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:46am
We all separate art from artist to various degrees because we know that most musicians hold dubious views or have behaved in morally awful ways. Lennon was a domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for young girls—hell, most rock musicians in the 60s and 70s probably committed statutory rape (and in some cases unqualified rape) with groupies. So we pick and choose what lines are sacrosanct and rationalize or ignore other things. It doesn't make us hypocrites, only that a commitment to absolutes and purities is best spent alone in a cave.
Hello,

Play that funky music, a**hole!
I'm not following. Am I an asshole here?
I doubt very much he means you. The asshole in this case I expect being the whiteboy.
But I'm a white … *checks, shrugs* … boy.
Yes you are a white asshole but you didn't rip off no black man and get to number 1 with a song that's more funky than a black funk song.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 9:51am

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:40am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:35am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:04am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:57am
gkbill wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:53am


Hello,

Play that funky music, a**hole!
I'm not following. Am I an asshole here?
I doubt very much he means you. The asshole in this case I expect being the whiteboy.
But I'm a white … *checks, shrugs* … boy.
Yes you are a white asshole but you didn't rip off no black man and get to number 1 with a song that's more funky than a black funk song.
Only because my record company wouldn't promote me properly. :angry:
Poonty, boloques, juffmunch, carpoo, snazellfonks.

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Low Down Low » 15 Oct 2019, 11:02am

I was only thinking about this question a few days ago in relation to Eric Clapton. We all know Clapton is a bit of a doofus with a dark history of racism and other xenophobic nonsense, maybe he has repented all that shameful history, not sure about that. But while not a fan and never actually buying any clapton output, there are about 3 or 4 videos on youtube i've watched that are pretty damn awesome and no amount of character defects on the performers resume changes or downgrades that fact. Maybe the moral question is should i refuse to listen to them and pretend they dont exist? Should i feel dirty and ashamed for actually deriving pleasure from the listening? Since the songs themselves dont contain anything morally dubious or offensive, i'm not sure why that should be so. Same with Morrissey, i heard him do a cover version the other day (joni mitchells dont interrupt the sorrow) which i reckoned was one of the best things i've heard in ages and that grieved me terribly because i've always despised the horrid son of a bitch with a passion. But it was totally awesome so what could i do except enjoy it for what it was?

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Oct 2019, 11:11am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:51am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:40am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:35am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:04am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:57am


I'm not following. Am I an asshole here?
I doubt very much he means you. The asshole in this case I expect being the whiteboy.
But I'm a white … *checks, shrugs* … boy.
Yes you are a white asshole but you didn't rip off no black man and get to number 1 with a song that's more funky than a black funk song.
Only because my record company wouldn't promote me properly. :angry:
Bloody record companies know nothing. Mind you ripping off Barry White and calling yourself Barry Black may have been what swung their opinion.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Oct 2019, 11:13am

Mick Jagger - It's the singer not the song.
Marky Dread - It's the song not the singer.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 11:21am

A couple examples of my own, each going a different way. Some of you might know an Australian collage artist who goes by the name Pogo. He samples mostly animated films to create rather cool electronic music ("Alice" from Alice in Wonderland is fucking fantastic). Last year or the year before, he was outed as a pretty nasty homophobe, revelling especially in violence against queer people more generally. I've listened to him once since then and the magic was gone.

Several years ago, Michael Gira of Swans was accused of rape by a woman on his record label and who, I think, he was producing. He said he thought it was consensual. Given the nature of his lyrics and angry past, I thought it was more than plausible that he was guilty. As details emerged, the veracity of her story started to tilt the other direction. Nobody else came forward to accuse him of similar behaviour (as often happens), members of her old band stated that she had a history of falsely accusing people of rape, and Gira's wife claimed that she had texts from the woman that would prove she was lying. And after that the whole thing went quiet. It's not 100% exonerating, but I think the needle points towards his version. But if that kind of evidence hadn't emerged, would I have continued to be a Swans fan? Likely not, even tho part of the band's appeal for me is that he's a guy wrestling with a fuckload of demons. But I can't rule out the possibility I wouldn't have put blinders on and gone with art/pleasure over artist.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 11:22am

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:11am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:51am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:40am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:35am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:04am


I doubt very much he means you. The asshole in this case I expect being the whiteboy.
But I'm a white … *checks, shrugs* … boy.
Yes you are a white asshole but you didn't rip off no black man and get to number 1 with a song that's more funky than a black funk song.
Only because my record company wouldn't promote me properly. :angry:
Bloody record companies know nothing. Mind you ripping off Barry White and calling yourself Barry Black may have been what swung their opinion.
They were the ones that suggested the name!
Poonty, boloques, juffmunch, carpoo, snazellfonks.

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Oct 2019, 11:24am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:22am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:11am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:51am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:40am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:35am


But I'm a white … *checks, shrugs* … boy.
Yes you are a white asshole but you didn't rip off no black man and get to number 1 with a song that's more funky than a black funk song.
Only because my record company wouldn't promote me properly. :angry:
Bloody record companies know nothing. Mind you ripping off Barry White and calling yourself Barry Black may have been what swung their opinion.
They were the ones that suggested the name!
Well obviously but did you really think you would get away with that skin tight white lycra suit?
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 11:25am

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:24am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:22am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:11am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:51am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:40am


Yes you are a white asshole but you didn't rip off no black man and get to number 1 with a song that's more funky than a black funk song.
Only because my record company wouldn't promote me properly. :angry:
Bloody record companies know nothing. Mind you ripping off Barry White and calling yourself Barry Black may have been what swung their opinion.
They were the ones that suggested the name!
Well obviously but did you really think you would get away with that skin tight white lycra suit?
It was the 80s! All the hair metal bands did it!
Poonty, boloques, juffmunch, carpoo, snazellfonks.

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by gkbill » 15 Oct 2019, 12:29pm

Low Down Low wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:02am
I was only thinking about this question a few days ago in relation to Eric Clapton. We all know Clapton is a bit of a doofus with a dark history of racism and other xenophobic nonsense, maybe he has repented all that shameful history, not sure about that. But while not a fan and never actually buying any clapton output, there are about 3 or 4 videos on youtube i've watched that are pretty damn awesome and no amount of character defects on the performers resume changes or downgrades that fact. Maybe the moral question is should i refuse to listen to them and pretend they dont exist? Should i feel dirty and ashamed for actually deriving pleasure from the listening? Since the songs themselves dont contain anything morally dubious or offensive, i'm not sure why that should be so. Same with Morrissey, i heard him do a cover version the other day (joni mitchells dont interrupt the sorrow) which i reckoned was one of the best things i've heard in ages and that grieved me terribly because i've always despised the horrid son of a bitch with a passion. But it was totally awesome so what could i do except enjoy it for what it was?
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Oct 2019, 12:40pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:25am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:24am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:22am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:11am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 9:51am

Only because my record company wouldn't promote me properly. :angry:
Bloody record companies know nothing. Mind you ripping off Barry White and calling yourself Barry Black may have been what swung their opinion.
They were the ones that suggested the name!
Well obviously but did you really think you would get away with that skin tight white lycra suit?
It was the 80s! All the hair metal bands did it!
Well maybe you still had some hair back then. ;)
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 12:44pm

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 12:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:25am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:24am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:22am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:11am


Bloody record companies know nothing. Mind you ripping off Barry White and calling yourself Barry Black may have been what swung their opinion.
They were the ones that suggested the name!
Well obviously but did you really think you would get away with that skin tight white lycra suit?
It was the 80s! All the hair metal bands did it!
Well maybe you still had some hair back then. ;)
Some. :sad: I once used a Spin cover from the 80s in the lecture. Can't recall who was on the cover—Jim Kerr, I think—but the guy had serious 80s hair. Smart-ass student asked me whether I had that much hair when I was young.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Oct 2019, 12:45pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 12:44pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 12:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:25am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:24am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 11:22am


They were the ones that suggested the name!
Well obviously but did you really think you would get away with that skin tight white lycra suit?
It was the 80s! All the hair metal bands did it!
Well maybe you still had some hair back then. ;)
Some. :sad: I once used a Spin cover from the 80s in the lecture. Can't recall who was on the cover—Jim Kerr, I think—but the guy had serious 80s hair. Smart-ass student asked me whether I had that much hair when I was young.
I hope you gave that student a straight A.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Oct 2019, 1:00pm

Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 12:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 12:44pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 12:40pm
Well maybe you still had some hair back then. ;)
Some. :sad: I once used a Spin cover from the 80s in the lecture. Can't recall who was on the cover—Jim Kerr, I think—but the guy had serious 80s hair. Smart-ass student asked me whether I had that much hair when I was young.
I hope you gave that student a straight A.
He was very much a fucknut who earned his D or D+ wholly on merit.
Poonty, boloques, juffmunch, carpoo, snazellfonks.

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