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Heston wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 7:16am
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watching a documentary on the show a couple of years ago and though I forget the details, I do recall one of the execs making extravagant claims as to the TOTP effect on 7" sales figures. You'd have to say the Clash did pretty well in terms of chart success given the circumstances, not to mention that lack of mainstream radio play that would have been one inevitable consequence of their position. To regularly have broken the top 20 was a testament to just how good those songs were.
That exec wouldn't have been exaggerating. With viewing figures peaking at 19 million in 1979, an appearance could send a record rocketing up the charts. I can understand the Clash not wanting to appear on the show, but to not allow their videos to be shown was bordering on crazy.
Who needs The Clash when you've got Legs & Co. :mrgreen:
I'm convinced there has to be a story about that Legs & Co thing that's never been told. Would TOTP have needed the bands/record co. permission before playing the track on the show? I reckon it was them taking the piss out of the group for their sustained criticism of the show.
No, I don't think they would. London Calling was also used as chart rundown music during its considerable time in the charts.
Have absolutely no recollection of that for some reason. I do recall Roger Daltry's hilarious guest appearance on the show one night though when he made a comment along the lines of "We dont have the Clash but theres some lovely birds here tonight" which may have been a reference to Legs & Co or Pans People or whatever they were called at the time.

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Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 7:27am
Heston wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 7:16am
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That exec wouldn't have been exaggerating. With viewing figures peaking at 19 million in 1979, an appearance could send a record rocketing up the charts. I can understand the Clash not wanting to appear on the show, but to not allow their videos to be shown was bordering on crazy.
Who needs The Clash when you've got Legs & Co. :mrgreen:
I'm convinced there has to be a story about that Legs & Co thing that's never been told. Would TOTP have needed the bands/record co. permission before playing the track on the show? I reckon it was them taking the piss out of the group for their sustained criticism of the show.
No, I don't think they would. London Calling was also used as chart rundown music during its considerable time in the charts.
Have absolutely no recollection of that for some reason. I do recall Roger Daltry's hilarious guest appearance on the show one night though when he made a comment along the lines of "We dont have the Clash but theres some lovely birds here tonight" which may have been a reference to Legs & Co or Pans People or whatever they were called at the time.
It was Legs & Co. Pans People were earlier in the 70's.

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Could the Clash themselves be thrown into the conversation? They have become unquestionably legendary - their ending still seems so very unsatisfying. What could the line-up of Joe, Mick, Paul and Topper have achieved had they managed to stick together? I've always felt they sounded really good during the Rat Patrol era. Joe's lyric writing was excellent. Mick was pushing ahead fast and furious musically. Did they still have some miles to go or had they run their course and does that make them different per this discussion compared to bands that should have - but never did get off of the ground?
Personally, the answer would be no for me. Sure you could argue they could have done so much more if things hadnt been so fucked up, pretty much from the beginning, but at the same time, they packed so much into their 6/7 years together that their output is still far superior to most bands who had three or even four times their shelf life. The big what if is if they had stepped back after a couple of albums, took an extended break and returned refreshed and ready to push on again. But on another level I feel any band has only so much to say and there are only so many new boundaries you can explore before you just end up going full circle and regurgitating the old material again. The last thing I'd have wanted is for them to stay together just for the sake of it, going through the motions of being a top stadium rock band or whatever it is they would have become. But thats just me really.

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Marky Dread wrote:
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21 Jun 2018, 7:07am
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21 Jun 2018, 7:05am


Who needs The Clash when you've got Legs & Co. :mrgreen:
I'm convinced there has to be a story about that Legs & Co thing that's never been told. Would TOTP have needed the bands/record co. permission before playing the track on the show? I reckon it was them taking the piss out of the group for their sustained criticism of the show.
No, I don't think they would. London Calling was also used as chart rundown music during its considerable time in the charts.
Have absolutely no recollection of that for some reason. I do recall Roger Daltry's hilarious guest appearance on the show one night though when he made a comment along the lines of "We dont have the Clash but theres some lovely birds here tonight" which may have been a reference to Legs & Co or Pans People or whatever they were called at the time.
It was Legs & Co. Pans People were earlier in the 70's.

Oh yeah it was Legs & Co, but didnt think that was the Daltrey episode though it was probably around the same time alright.

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Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.

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Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.
He had to wear it back to front because of the BBC ban on advertising, but you could still see the logo through the material. Not a man renowned for his humour though, was he? :mrgreen:
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
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101Walterton wrote:
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Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.
He had to wear it back to front because of the BBC ban on advertising, but you could still see the logo through the material. Not a man renowned for his humour though, was he? :mrgreen:
Some say it was a nod to The Who’s baked beans but I am sure I read an interview where he said something about people copying everything he did and wanted to see how far it would go. That would be backed up by the fact he chose an apron.

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Heston wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:44pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.
He had to wear it back to front because of the BBC ban on advertising, but you could still see the logo through the material. Not a man renowned for his humour though, was he? :mrgreen:
Although he comes across as deadpan he is full of humour. If you want me to prove it in two words here goes "Style Council".
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101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.
You’re right, I always looked forward to Friday mornings in school for the discussions we’d have on previous nights totp. It was the highlight of the week for a few glorious years.

On a slight tangent I remember the Smiths playing near where I grew up and a few tossers coming into school the next day with branches hanging out of their back pockets.

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Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 4:57pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.
You’re right, I always looked forward to Friday mornings in school for the discussions we’d have on previous nights totp. It was the highlight of the week for a few glorious years.

On a slight tangent I remember the Smiths playing near where I grew up and a few tossers coming into school the next day with branches hanging out of their back pockets.
How charming I expect they were with special branch. I'd been working for a couple of years by the time The Smiths were happening. Still thought they were fantastic against all the shitty chart bands of the time.
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Marky Dread wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:17pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 4:57pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.


You’re right, I always looked forward to Friday mornings in school for the discussions we’d have on previous nights totp. It was the highlight of the week for a few glorious years.

On a slight tangent I remember the Smiths playing near where I grew up and a few tossers coming into school the next day with branches hanging out of their back pockets.
How charming I expect they were with special branch. I'd been working for a couple of years by the time The Smiths were happening. Still thought they were fantastic against all the shitty chart bands of the time.
Yeah I was in a very small minority in my antipathy to the Smiths. I was a very depressed teenager - maybe there is no other kind - but as opposed to speaking for me I just found the music depressed me even more. Didn’t have a very open minded approach to music back then to be honest, dismissed whole swathes of great stuff on the flimsiest of pretexts.

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Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:36pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:17pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 4:57pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.


You’re right, I always looked forward to Friday mornings in school for the discussions we’d have on previous nights totp. It was the highlight of the week for a few glorious years.

On a slight tangent I remember the Smiths playing near where I grew up and a few tossers coming into school the next day with branches hanging out of their back pockets.
How charming I expect they were with special branch. I'd been working for a couple of years by the time The Smiths were happening. Still thought they were fantastic against all the shitty chart bands of the time.
Yeah I was in a very small minority in my antipathy to the Smiths. I was a very depressed teenager - maybe there is no other kind - but as opposed to speaking for me I just found the music depressed me even more. Didn’t have a very open minded approach to music back then to be honest, dismissed whole swathes of great stuff on the flimsiest of pretexts.
I found Morrissey's lyrics anything but depressing. I found the humour in them to be very tongue-in-cheek or is that hand-in-glove.
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Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:36pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:17pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 4:57pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.


You’re right, I always looked forward to Friday mornings in school for the discussions we’d have on previous nights totp. It was the highlight of the week for a few glorious years.

On a slight tangent I remember the Smiths playing near where I grew up and a few tossers coming into school the next day with branches hanging out of their back pockets.
How charming I expect they were with special branch. I'd been working for a couple of years by the time The Smiths were happening. Still thought they were fantastic against all the shitty chart bands of the time.
Yeah I was in a very small minority in my antipathy to the Smiths. I was a very depressed teenager - maybe there is no other kind - but as opposed to speaking for me I just found the music depressed me even more. Didn’t have a very open minded approach to music back then to be honest, dismissed whole swathes of great stuff on the flimsiest of pretexts.
I just didn't like his voice. Some great music and songs, just couldn't get past that strangulated moan of his.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 6:08pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:36pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 5:17pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 4:57pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jun 2018, 3:28pm
Talking of The Jam, when they were on TOTP one night (Going Underground?) Weller wore a Heinze Tomato soup apron.The next day kids turned up at my and school wearing their Mum’s apron and at other schools all over the country. From memory Weller only did it as a wind up but again it shows how much influence TOTP had on pop culture in UK.


You’re right, I always looked forward to Friday mornings in school for the discussions we’d have on previous nights totp. It was the highlight of the week for a few glorious years.

On a slight tangent I remember the Smiths playing near where I grew up and a few tossers coming into school the next day with branches hanging out of their back pockets.
How charming I expect they were with special branch. I'd been working for a couple of years by the time The Smiths were happening. Still thought they were fantastic against all the shitty chart bands of the time.
Yeah I was in a very small minority in my antipathy to the Smiths. I was a very depressed teenager - maybe there is no other kind - but as opposed to speaking for me I just found the music depressed me even more. Didn’t have a very open minded approach to music back then to be honest, dismissed whole swathes of great stuff on the flimsiest of pretexts.
I just didn't like his voice. Some great music and songs, just couldn't get past that strangulated moan of his.
I understand this totally but after years of listening to the Lydon honky donkey I was ready for it. Although these days I wish someone would stangulate the moaning ninny.
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