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Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
OH WAIT: THE FUCKING LA’S.
That's a bingo. Mavers, anyway. Whatsizface had some success in Cast (tho they were never anywhere as good as the La's).
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:47pm
Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
OH WAIT: THE FUCKING LA’S.
That's a bingo. Mavers, anyway. Whatsizface had some success in Cast (tho they were never anywhere as good as the La's).
I almost specified Mavers, given it was really his singular obsession that did them in.
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Ian Stuart. :shifty:
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Ian Stuart. :shifty:
nsc! How ya doin'?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 6:22pm
Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 5:59pm
Ian Stuart. :shifty:
nsc! How ya doin'?
i think nsc would argue that ian is a musician who really came into his own on his sophomore full-length.
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Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 6:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 6:22pm
Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 5:59pm
Ian Stuart. :shifty:
nsc! How ya doin'?
i think nsc would argue that ian is a musician who really came into his own on his sophomore full-length.
I think nsc would be disappointed that Ian never played watered down quasi-soul like Topper’s solo album.

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Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Flex wrote:
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Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
Jesse from Op Ivy comes to mind as well, though I guess I like most of what he’s done when he’s actually done things.
OH WAIT: THE FUCKING LA’S.
Oh yeah, and maybe XTC to an extent. That La's debut was perfect then....nothing.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:05pm
Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
That’s a good one. I thought the Jon Theodore collab was a full length, but it was an EP. His Run the Jewels appearances have been stellar in the last couple years.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Heston wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 7:21pm
Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:05pm
Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
Jesse from Op Ivy comes to mind as well, though I guess I like most of what he’s done when he’s actually done things.
OH WAIT: THE FUCKING LA’S.
Oh yeah, and maybe XTC to an extent. That La's debut was perfect then....nothing.
I mean, XTC released quite a few excellent albums over a two decade period.

EDIT: but they really haven’t put out a lot since.
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Andrew Eldritch / The Sisters of Mercy - only 3 studio albums and then almost 30 years without any new recorded output, despite essentially existing and touring the entire time. Their situation reminds me of a somewhat less critically acclaimed (but more commercially popular) My Bloody Valentine, but without ever having released the equivalent of mbv. Hard to fathom, but like Joe, Prince and George Michael and probably many others, it seemed to start with a dispute with their record company and somehow Eldritch never got it together to record again.

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Low Down Low wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 2:50pm
A couple of names that spring instantly to mind: Syd Barrett, Peter Green. Not that I'd call myself a major fan of either, though Green's Need Your Love So Bad (performed by Gary Moore) is one of my favourite songs of all time.

Some here would be familiar with Kevin Archer, one half of the creative partnership behind Dexys Midnight Runners debut album. I've been listening to Blue Ox Babes over the past couple of years, the band Archer formed after leaving Dexys, and I really like them, but Archer clearly did not possess the natural charisma or ruthlessness to be a front man and so they sunk.

I'm also reminded of this massively hyped band in Ireland around the late 70s:



Dont really know why it went wrong for them, they were talked about not just as being the next U2, but of actually being bigger than them. But for whatever reason they didn't seem to want it and didn't even release an album until reforming in the mid-80s by which time their chance had passed. Probably a common enough story in the business i'd guess.
Not really sure if that's a comparison with the Blades sounding like U2 or just gaining as much popularity. They struck me as a cross between The Jam and The Redskins. Although not as good as either of those bands they were are a fine band. I've got a couple CD's by them and they are an enjoyable listen.
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According to Wikipedia, Paul Cleary went from The Blades to go play with The Partisans - one of the greatest post-first wave punk bands ever, imho. Interesting connection. And from that band, Parsons and Axile would, of course, go on to form Transvision Vamp. So there's your six degrees of Kevin Bacon or w/e there.
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Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 9:20pm
Heston wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 7:21pm
Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:05pm
Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
Jesse from Op Ivy comes to mind as well, though I guess I like most of what he’s done when he’s actually done things.
OH WAIT: THE FUCKING LA’S.
Oh yeah, and maybe XTC to an extent. That La's debut was perfect then....nothing.
I mean, XTC released quite a few excellent albums over a two decade period.

EDIT: but they really haven’t put out a lot since.
Andy Partridge has released plenty since XTC called it a day. Plus all the work on their reissue campaign.
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Marky Dread wrote:
20 Jun 2018, 12:26pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 2:50pm
A couple of names that spring instantly to mind: Syd Barrett, Peter Green. Not that I'd call myself a major fan of either, though Green's Need Your Love So Bad (performed by Gary Moore) is one of my favourite songs of all time.

Some here would be familiar with Kevin Archer, one half of the creative partnership behind Dexys Midnight Runners debut album. I've been listening to Blue Ox Babes over the past couple of years, the band Archer formed after leaving Dexys, and I really like them, but Archer clearly did not possess the natural charisma or ruthlessness to be a front man and so they sunk.

I'm also reminded of this massively hyped band in Ireland around the late 70s:



Dont really know why it went wrong for them, they were talked about not just as being the next U2, but of actually being bigger than them. But for whatever reason they didn't seem to want it and didn't even release an album until reforming in the mid-80s by which time their chance had passed. Probably a common enough story in the business i'd guess.
Not really sure if that's a comparison with the Blades sounding like U2 or just gaining as much popularity. They struck me as a cross between The Jam and The Redskins. Although not as good as either of those bands they were are a fine band. I've got a couple CD's by them and they are an enjoyable listen.
Yes, purely a popularity thing. There was definitely more a Jam vibe about them than anything else. Paul Cleary was a very good songwriter but I think even he'd agree they were hyped up to being a lot better than they actually were. Still, they were miles better than most of the muck sloshing around the UK charts at the time and should have made it. Cleary came across as a guy with a lot of integrity and seemed unwilling to play the game hard enough to get the band pushed forward, think that had definitely something to do with it too. It used to pain me years later to see a kids quiz show on tv and Cleary's name credited at the end for coming up with the jingle they used as the theme tune.

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Flex wrote:
20 Jun 2018, 12:30pm
According to Wikipedia, Paul Cleary went from The Blades to go play with The Partisans - one of the greatest post-first wave punk bands ever, imho. Interesting connection. And from that band, Parsons and Axile would, of course, go on to form Transvision Vamp. So there's your six degrees of Kevin Bacon or w/e there.
Have a feeling they're not the same groups. Think Cleary and the Partisans only made a single album and then moved on, or Cleary quit the business possibly.

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