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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Does Wire's Send count? Were they officially broken up?
Yup. When they started up again in 2000, it was a helluva surprise.
Okay, I had remembered Read and Burn and Send as being reunion records but it's been many years so I wasn't sure if my memory was correct.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Knowing full well I'm setting myself up for a "Well, of course you'd say that," the four albums Swans have put out since restarting are, collectively, the best of their career.
Well, of course you'd say that. :mrgreen:

Reunion-era Dinosaur Jr. has been pretty good. Beyond was excellent.
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eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:37pm
eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:51am
Does Wire's Send count? Were they officially broken up?
Yup. When they started up again in 2000, it was a helluva surprise.
Okay, I had remembered Read and Burn and Send as being reunion records but it's been many years so I wasn't sure if my memory was correct.
It was especially weird because Colin, Graham, and Bruce had all embraced electronic music in the 90s, and then they came as an unambiguous noisy guitar band.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:41pm
eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:37pm
eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:51am
Does Wire's Send count? Were they officially broken up?
Yup. When they started up again in 2000, it was a helluva surprise.
Okay, I had remembered Read and Burn and Send as being reunion records but it's been many years so I wasn't sure if my memory was correct.
It was especially weird because Colin, Graham, and Bruce had all embraced electronic music in the 90s, and then they came as an unambiguous noisy guitar band.
I mean it sounds like an electronic take on noisy guitar band music, though. I remember they used PODs instead of amps to process the guitars.
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eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:56pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:41pm
eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 12:37pm
eumaas wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:51am
Does Wire's Send count? Were they officially broken up?
Yup. When they started up again in 2000, it was a helluva surprise.
Okay, I had remembered Read and Burn and Send as being reunion records but it's been many years so I wasn't sure if my memory was correct.
It was especially weird because Colin, Graham, and Bruce had all embraced electronic music in the 90s, and then they came as an unambiguous noisy guitar band.
I mean it sounds like an electronic take on noisy guitar band music, though. I remember they used PODs instead of amps to process the guitars.
Sure, but for them to come back as a guitar band was a surprise and a half given where their tastes seemed to be at. Bruce said he hadn't picked up a guitar in five years or so and was really anxious about learning how to do it again.
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What about a band/musician that had all the talent in the world but somehow botched it up? I was just reading something on The Band and these guys had so much talent across the board. They were pals with Dylan. Three incredible singers and they were making music that sounded unlike anyone else at the time, but it fell apart very quick. Seems like a lot of the normal stuff: ego, drugs, drink, fame at too young of an age - but I listen to their early albums (and I know they're not everyone's cup of tea) and then their last albums before they split (for the first time) and the drop in quality is really sad.
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Hardly an original thought, but I'll offer up the four Beatles outside the original band. Sure, it's unfair that their post-Beatles work gets compared to what they did together, but nevertheless, on the whole, it feels like a huge drop in quality and purpose.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Hardly an original thought, but I'll offer up the four Beatles outside the original band. Sure, it's unfair that their post-Beatles work gets compared to what they did together, but nevertheless, on the whole, it feels like a huge drop in quality and purpose.
Most definitely. The drop off in quality and purpose was pretty amazing when you consider what they did as a unit. I wonder how much was simply getting to comfy and complacent? There was an initial burst of individual expressions...but then it just went downhill.
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WestwayKid wrote:
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Hardly an original thought, but I'll offer up the four Beatles outside the original band. Sure, it's unfair that their post-Beatles work gets compared to what they did together, but nevertheless, on the whole, it feels like a huge drop in quality and purpose.
Most definitely. The drop off in quality and purpose was pretty amazing when you consider what they did as a unit. I wonder how much was simply getting to comfy and complacent? There was an initial burst of individual expressions...but then it just went downhill.
If ending the Beatles was wholly about different artistic itches to scratch and not something more emotional or psychological, yeah, everyone go do their decent first couple albums on their own, and then come back in three or four years. Whether together they improved each other's ideas or just amped up the competition and brought out the best by being in the same room, together they were greater than the sum of their parts.

Or maybe that's all wishcasting and in fact they used up the bulk of their creativity in the first dozen years, and Beatles records in the 70s or 80s would have been just as lacklustre.
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A couple of names that spring instantly to mind: Syd Barrett, Peter Green. Not that I'd call myself a major fan of either, though Green's Need Your Love So Bad (performed by Gary Moore) is one of my favourite songs of all time.

Some here would be familiar with Kevin Archer, one half of the creative partnership behind Dexys Midnight Runners debut album. I've been listening to Blue Ox Babes over the past couple of years, the band Archer formed after leaving Dexys, and I really like them, but Archer clearly did not possess the natural charisma or ruthlessness to be a front man and so they sunk.

I'm also reminded of this massively hyped band in Ireland around the late 70s:



Dont really know why it went wrong for them, they were talked about not just as being the next U2, but of actually being bigger than them. But for whatever reason they didn't seem to want it and didn't even release an album until reforming in the mid-80s by which time their chance had passed. Probably a common enough story in the business i'd guess.

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Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
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Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
Jesse from Op Ivy comes to mind as well, though I guess I like most of what he’s done when he’s actually done things.
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Wolter wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:23pm
Flex wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 3:05pm
Just because he popped into my head today: Zack de la Rocha. Came up from some minor, but respectable, hardcore punk bands in the 80s and then got massive with Rage Against The Machine. Post-RATM he's released a scattered track here and there but hasn't been able to keep a project (band or solo) together long enough to issue a full-length since 2000's RATM effort Renegades. Reports from collaborators is that he's doing good studio work but... whatever is going on behind the scenes is stopping anything beyond a stray track here and there from materializing. In the meantime, his former bandmates have been pretty successful and prolific. The contrast is stark.
Jesse from Op Ivy comes to mind as well, though I guess I like most of what he’s done when he’s actually done things.
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