I mean no disrespect to your view of music Kory and the fact you care is admirable. However all music is stolen from elsewhere. For me it depends how a riff or a phrase is used or how blatant the steal is. Don't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others. Only advice that I see to be important here is if you are enjoying what you do. If you are not then leave the band and start something fresh with like minded musicians or at least ones that want to be more inventive.Kory wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 6:24pmUpdate: after the other two guys decided not to quit, I was asked if I wanted to fold the side thing into the main band, which I decided to go for after weeks of agonizing. I have been a little uncomfortable by some of the songwriting being derivative, though. The band makes me feel like I'm the jerk that has to say no to or overthink every song, but I grew into music thinking that ripping off other bands' sounds was mostly unforgivable. I guess I'm still a little ambivalent because it's fun to play music with people, but:
at what point do you think wearing your influences on your sleeve becomes dealbreaking rip-off art?
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That Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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I must have missed this.Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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There have been so many uses of others work cleverly incorporated into some fantastic Clash songs. The Coronation Street theme still makes me smile.Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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Z Cars at 20 secs?Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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I guess I was just really asking where you draw the line? For example, this band has written a new song that sounds very much as though the Cure circa "Boys Don't Cry" wrote a new song. Is that too much? It seems so blatant to me, but maybe I'm being a sourpuss. Being derivative has always been a downer in my mind, but maybe it's not a big deal. It just always seems like one of those major criticisms of shallow bands.
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Was that not BAD?Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:48pmThere have been so many uses of others work cleverly incorporated into some fantastic Clash songs. The Coronation Street theme still makes me smile.Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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That'sHeston wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:49pmWas that not BAD?Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:48pmThere have been so many uses of others work cleverly incorporated into some fantastic Clash songs. The Coronation Street theme still makes me smile.Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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I'd say there's a difference between what I like to call "tasteful homage" and just a lifeless copy of a sound or song.
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Maybe. I thought you posted it up here a few years back. To be honest I thought it was LC.Heston wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:49pmWas that not BAD?Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:48pmThere have been so many uses of others work cleverly incorporated into some fantastic Clash songs. The Coronation Street theme still makes me smile.Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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Again, you seem to be working the rock vs. pop criticism here. That's not illegitimate, but it is ideological and therefore something to argue about. It's legit for the others to work the homage angle pretty thick just as it's legit for you to be averse to sounding too familiar. Put another way, some people like the familiar because it has therapeutic value; others want something more shocking and unknown. It's the Romantic vs. Modern brawl.Kory wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:48pmI guess I was just really asking where you draw the line? For example, this band has written a new song that sounds very much as though the Cure circa "Boys Don't Cry" wrote a new song. Is that too much? It seems so blatant to me, but maybe I'm being a sourpuss. Being derivative has always been a downer in my mind, but maybe it's not a big deal. It just always seems like one of those major criticisms of shallow bands.
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Beatbox. That Coronation St theme has a history of sightingsMarky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 8:01pmMaybe. I thought you posted it up here a few years back. To be honest I thought it was LC.Heston wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:49pmWas that not BAD?Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:48pmThere have been so many uses of others work cleverly incorporated into some fantastic Clash songs. The Coronation Street theme still makes me smile.Inder wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:43pmThat Spanish Bombs thing blew my mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:42pmDon't forget this is a Clash forum you are on and they have made great use of ideas from others.
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Yes it's all coming back to me now. I think we have tried to list all the steals & homages but I sure would love a list all in one place of what's what and from where.Heston wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 8:19pmBeatbox. That Coronation St theme has a history of sightingsMarky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 8:01pmMaybe. I thought you posted it up here a few years back. To be honest I thought it was LC.Heston wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:49pmWas that not BAD?Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 7:48pmThere have been so many uses of others work cleverly incorporated into some fantastic Clash songs. The Coronation Street theme still makes me smile.
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Due to the Jimi Hendrix version in 'Third Stone from the Sun' :)
Putting a little stick about. Putting the frighteners on flash little twerps