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Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 1:40am
by Marky Dread
As for U2 I will wait until I hear the record before I pass sentence. I like Raised By Wolves on the last one. They still make the odd good track for me here and there. I'm not into any of the political rhetoric however their good intentions maybe.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 10:01am
by WestwayKid
Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 1:40am
As for U2 I will wait until I hear the record before I pass sentence. I like Raised By Wolves on the last one. They still make the odd good track for me here and there. I'm not into any of the political rhetoric however their good intentions maybe.
I didn't really get a big political vibe from the new record. I was expecting more of a big statement based on their talking it up - but I hear more introspective songs about life, mortality, relationships and stuff like that.
I've listened to it from start to finish maybe 10 times since Friday. I like it. There are clunky moments, but as a whole - I think it works.
...and nice shout out for Raised by Wolves. I also felt that was a highlight of the last album! :)
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 3:28pm
by BostonBeaneater
They just did an interview on Howard Stern this morning that was worth a listen. I’ve never understood the rampant Bono hatred. I mean, I get it but c’mon and get over it. There are far better things to hate. The 80s output was great, if overplayed, and the shows I saw when I was in high school were great memories.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 3:50pm
by muppet hi fi
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 3:28pm
They just did an interview on Howard Stern this morning that was worth a listen.
I’ve never understood the rampant Bono hatred. I mean, I get it but c’mon and
get over it. There are far better things to hate. The 80s output was great, if overplayed, and the shows I saw when I was in high school were great memories.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
And yep.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 3:56pm
by Dr. Medulla
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 3:28pm
They just did an interview on Howard Stern this morning that was worth a listen. I’ve never understood the rampant Bono hatred.
I mean, I get it but c’mon and get over it. There are far better things to hate. The 80s output was great, if overplayed, and the shows I saw when I was in high school were great memories.
Bono is the Derek Jeter of rock.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 04 Dec 2017, 4:10pm
by Flex
Bono is a dipshit who hasn't made music good enough to overlook exactly how much of a dipshit he is since (depending on your point of view) either like 1987 or 1997. He might get a little more leeway if any U2 albums this century had been any good.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 06 Dec 2017, 7:37pm
by Marky Dread
Flex wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 4:10pm
Bono is a dipshit who hasn't made music good enough to overlook exactly how much of a dipshit he is since (depending on your point of view) either like 1987 or 1997. He might get a little more leeway if any U2 albums this century had been any good.
Who me?
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 8:13am
by WestwayKid
I'll add this nearly one week after release. I listened to it several times on Friday and maybe once during the weekend, but honestly, I think I've already relegated it to the "has been" file.
I grew up in a world where U2 could do no wrong. They went from strength to strength and even mistakes were mistakes made from trying to leap too far.
I guess part of me still connects their music with an idealized part of my life: a time before I was truly grown up. I remember being 14 and waiting in line to buy Achtung Baby. War is the maybe the only album I own on vinyl, cassette, CD, and digital.
I think I've had a hard time acknowledging the diminishing returns their music has offered in recent years.
I'm probably reading too much into it (I tend to do that), but while the new album has moments that are pleasant to listen to, I'm struggling to find any true statement or substance. This is especially troubling since they spent so much time and money and whatever trying to create something that was supposed to be a statement...but it just sounds like a bunch of guys in their 50's trying to sound hip.
I still applaud them for trying to stay relevant, but they really need to change the formula. Not sure what that means, but all I know is that I streamed the heck out of it the day it was released and now nearly a week later I realize that I never went back to it. That says something to me.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 9:01am
by Marky Dread
WestwayKid wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 8:13am
I'll add this nearly one week after release. I listened to it several times on Friday and maybe once during the weekend, but honestly, I think I've already relegated it to the "has been" file.
I grew up in a world where U2 could do no wrong. They went from strength to strength and even mistakes were mistakes made from trying to leap too far.
I guess part of me still connects their music with an idealized part of my life: a time before I was truly grown up. I remember being 14 and waiting in line to buy Achtung Baby. War is the maybe the only album I own on vinyl, cassette, CD, and digital.
I think I've had a hard time acknowledging the diminishing returns their music has offered in recent years.
I'm probably reading too much into it (I tend to do that), but while the new album has moments that are pleasant to listen to, I'm struggling to find any true statement or substance. This is especially troubling since they spent so much time and money and whatever trying to create something that was supposed to be a statement...but it just sounds like a bunch of guys in their 50's trying to sound hip.
I still applaud them for trying to stay relevant, but they really need to change the formula. Not sure what that means, but all I know is that I streamed the heck out of it the day it was released and now nearly a week later I realize that I never went back to it. That says something to me.
Everybody is entitled to like what they want and to have their opinion. But I never listen to public opinion and allow naysayers to ruin my listening experience. If Phil Collins suddenly made a great record (I doubt he will) I would say so and not just slag it off because every other fucker likes an easy target (or lover).
I've still not heard this new U2 record but without listening to it thus far I expect there to be a couple of songs I like a couple that are OK and the rest is just the rest. I know that plenty of people will not bother to listen to it and slag it off regardless because they hate Bono or whatever. I hope never to get that jaded.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 9:24am
by WestwayKid
Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 9:01am
WestwayKid wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 8:13am
I'll add this nearly one week after release. I listened to it several times on Friday and maybe once during the weekend, but honestly, I think I've already relegated it to the "has been" file.
I grew up in a world where U2 could do no wrong. They went from strength to strength and even mistakes were mistakes made from trying to leap too far.
I guess part of me still connects their music with an idealized part of my life: a time before I was truly grown up. I remember being 14 and waiting in line to buy Achtung Baby. War is the maybe the only album I own on vinyl, cassette, CD, and digital.
I think I've had a hard time acknowledging the diminishing returns their music has offered in recent years.
I'm probably reading too much into it (I tend to do that), but while the new album has moments that are pleasant to listen to, I'm struggling to find any true statement or substance. This is especially troubling since they spent so much time and money and whatever trying to create something that was supposed to be a statement...but it just sounds like a bunch of guys in their 50's trying to sound hip.
I still applaud them for trying to stay relevant, but they really need to change the formula. Not sure what that means, but all I know is that I streamed the heck out of it the day it was released and now nearly a week later I realize that I never went back to it. That says something to me.
Everybody is entitled to like what they want and to have their opinion. But I never listen to public opinion and allow naysayers to ruin my listening experience. If Phil Collins suddenly made a great record (I doubt he will) I would say so and not just slag it off because every other fucker likes an easy target (or lover).
I've still not heard this new U2 record but without listening to it thus far I expect there to be a couple of songs I like a couple that are OK and the rest is just the rest. I know that plenty of people will not bother to listen to it and slag it off regardless because they hate Bono or whatever. I hope never to get that jaded.
Easy Lover - still an awesome track after all these years!!
I'm glad I gave the new album a chance. I wish it was a better album - but it is what it is. I'll listen to the next one and the one after that and so on - always expecting/hoping for the best.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 10:41am
by Low Down Low
I've still not heard this new U2 record but without listening to it thus far I expect there to be a couple of songs I like a couple that are OK and the rest is just the rest. I know that plenty of people will not bother to listen to it and slag it off regardless because they hate Bono or whatever. I hope never to get that jaded.
I appreciate this viewpoint marky, but it doesn’t take into account the sheer hype that comes with a U2 release and the heightened expectations this is inevitably going to create. On another forum, where I lurk mostly, there’s a U2 fan thread where, quite laughably, even the mildest criticism of the album is met with cries of “Bono hater”, probably haven’t even listened to the record etc. I have listened to a lot of it, it’s non stop on the radio over here, and I’m struck by how ordinary and uninspired it sounds. That might go for a lot of bands, but U2, like em or not, are no ordinary band.
I still love War, though. They don’t make riffs like those anymore and yet, I hear bono going on and on about how they are trying to keep things simple these days.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 10:45am
by Heston
WestwayKid wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 9:24am
Easy Lover - still an awesome track after all these years!!
Classic!
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 11:00am
by Dr. Medulla
Heston wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 10:45am
WestwayKid wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 9:24am
Easy Lover - still an awesome track after all these years!!
Classic!
No. Stop that at once.
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 11:12am
by WestwayKid
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 11:00am
Heston wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 10:45am
WestwayKid wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 9:24am
Easy Lover - still an awesome track after all these years!!
Classic!
No. Stop that at once.
If Trump ever builds his wall - I'm just going to go down to Texas - play that song on a huge system and let Phil's POWERHOUSE drumming knock that wall to the ground! It will be HUGE!
Re: U2 - Songs of Experience
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 11:18am
by muppet hi fi
The first three albums - 'Boy', 'October' and 'War' (and attendant singles/b-sides) - are still one of the greatest trilogies in popular music history. Add 'The Unforgettable Fire' as a cleanser. Loved them through 'Achtung Baby' ('Zooropa' was cool in it's weird Eno-esque way), haven't bought an album since (but heard nearly all at some point).
Still respect them as a band, as musicians and public people. As Marky said, I won't pass judgement until I've heard the thing.