The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
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https://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
I seem to recall a story about a young Mick corresponding with a young Morrissey over a shared love of music and there is a mention in Passion is a Fashion where Tony James (I think) recollects getting a letter from Morrissey offering his services - but they didn't take it seriously because he lived so far away from London.
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
I seem to recall a story about a young Mick corresponding with a young Morrissey over a shared love of music and there is a mention in Passion is a Fashion where Tony James (I think) recollects getting a letter from Morrissey offering his services - but they didn't take it seriously because he lived so far away from London.
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Re: The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
If they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:54amhttps://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
Huh?
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Re: The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
Morrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:59amIf they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:54amhttps://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
Huh?
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There may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:07pmMorrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:59amIf they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:54amhttps://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
Huh?
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Morrissey should have formed a band with Vince - they also have some common interests...Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:07pmMorrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:59amIf they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:54amhttps://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
Huh?
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Re: The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
Yeah World Peace is right near the bottom for me, though it's better than I thought the first couple times I listened.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:27amI actually found it an easier listen than World Peace...which has always been a difficult one for me to get into.
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Very early times so I doubt Morrissey had the same arrogance he showed later on. Also I'm considering a different beginning where Mick and Moz try out a band before Bernie's time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:07pmMorrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:59amIf they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:54amhttps://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
Huh?
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Curfews have been curbing
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Re: The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
Morrissey has always been prone to canceling shows though, or simply not showing up. I think between Mick's constant tardiness and that, they never would have gotten anything off the ground.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:47pmVery early times so I doubt Morrissey had the same arrogance he showed later on. Also I'm considering a different beginning where Mick and Moz try out a band before Bernie's time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:07pmMorrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:59amIf they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.WestwayKid wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:54amhttps://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_n ... _morrissey
Five Noteworthy Facts You May Not Know About Morrissey:
1. Moz could have been the Clash's singer.
[In 1976,] now an obsessive music fan who regularly writes in to the music weeklies, [Morrissey] is rebuffed by New York Dolls members at their show, but converses briefly with Mick Jones of the opening band, the Clash; Morrissey knows him from having responded to his "singer wanted" ad, but the job had gone to Joe Strummer.
Huh?
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Sure but much later on as he became more of an prima-donna. However early on in the punk years he did join the band The Nosebleeds as lead singer.Kory wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:50pmMorrissey has always been prone to canceling shows though, or simply not showing up. I think between Mick's constant tardiness and that, they never would have gotten anything off the ground.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:47pmVery early times so I doubt Morrissey had the same arrogance he showed later on. Also I'm considering a different beginning where Mick and Moz try out a band before Bernie's time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:07pmMorrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 11:59am
If they shitcanned Keith for being a lazy dink, Morrissey wouldn't have lasted any longer.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Re: The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
He was canceling shows as early as the early Smiths days. I think it's just part of who he is.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:57pmKory wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:50pmMorrissey has always been prone to canceling shows though, or simply not showing up. I think between Mick's constant tardiness and that, they never would have gotten anything off the ground.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:47pmVery early times so I doubt Morrissey had the same arrogance he showed later on. Also I'm considering a different beginning where Mick and Moz try out a band before Bernie's time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:07pm
Morrissey was a huge NY Dolls fan as was Mick so things really could've taken a different path.
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Indeed but I'm referring to time before The Smiths. The Smiths didn't form until 1982 punk was a good 6 years earlier. I'm not suggesting Morrissey hasn't always been a brat but I can't imagine him being such a prima-donna at the point of having no success.Kory wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 3:38pmHe was canceling shows as early as the early Smiths days. I think it's just part of who he is.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:57pmKory wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:50pmMorrissey has always been prone to canceling shows though, or simply not showing up. I think between Mick's constant tardiness and that, they never would have gotten anything off the ground.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:47pmVery early times so I doubt Morrissey had the same arrogance he showed later on. Also I'm considering a different beginning where Mick and Moz try out a band before Bernie's time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pm
There may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.
Forces have been looting
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Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Re: The All Smiths/Morrissey Thread
According to the books/interviews I've read, the main reason for the split was that Morrissey and Marr (who were still only 28 and 24 in 1987) were jointly managing the group because Morrissey disliked or distrusted every real manager they ever had.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.
I'm sure it would have been a countdown to who would have sacked whom first.
And put me in the "I like Kill Uncle" camp :) Probably my favourite is "End of the Family Line" - the way it sounds like Morrissey is resigned to being childless and then reveals that it's his choice and music changes from a minors to majors (or maybe I'm just hearing things there)
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Less jointly managing than more and more of that work being dumped on Marr because, indeed, Morrissey would turn on every outside manager they had. Marr has said that he left the band because he was just plain burned out from having too many roles to play at that young age. But to your latter point, ha, I agree.oliver wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 4:30pmAccording to the books/interviews I've read, the main reason for the split was that Morrissey and Marr (who were still only 28 and 24 in 1987) were jointly managing the group because Morrissey disliked or distrusted every real manager they ever had.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.
I'm sure it would have been a countdown to who would have sacked whom first.
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I guess that's where we differ.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 4:20pmIndeed but I'm referring to time before The Smiths. The Smiths didn't form until 1982 punk was a good 6 years earlier. I'm not suggesting Morrissey hasn't always been a brat but I can't imagine him being such a prima-donna at the point of having no success.Kory wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 3:38pmHe was canceling shows as early as the early Smiths days. I think it's just part of who he is.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:57pmKory wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:50pmMorrissey has always been prone to canceling shows though, or simply not showing up. I think between Mick's constant tardiness and that, they never would have gotten anything off the ground.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 2:47pm
Very early times so I doubt Morrissey had the same arrogance he showed later on. Also I'm considering a different beginning where Mick and Moz try out a band before Bernie's time.
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This is what I've always heard, too. Morrissey was apparently very protective of his relationship with Marr - and there were several instances where they brought in an outside manager and the manager would end up forming a working relationship with Marr who handled the business end of the partnership and Morrissey would get jealous and sabotage everything - which meant Johnny would then end up taking care of managing the band on his own again. This went beyond management. Morrissey didn't like the relationship between Marr and producer John Porter and went behind their backs to have Steve Lillywhite mix "Ask". There is also the story that Morrissey didn't like Ken Friedman - who was to be their final outside manager - as Friedman was too friendly with Marr. Morrissey lashed out by failing to show up for the video shoot for "Shoplifters of the World".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 4:40pmLess jointly managing than more and more of that work being dumped on Marr because, indeed, Morrissey would turn on every outside manager they had. Marr has said that he left the band because he was just plain burned out from having too many roles to play at that young age. But to your latter point, ha, I agree.oliver wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 4:30pmAccording to the books/interviews I've read, the main reason for the split was that Morrissey and Marr (who were still only 28 and 24 in 1987) were jointly managing the group because Morrissey disliked or distrusted every real manager they ever had.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jan 2019, 12:19pmThere may have been common interests, but I really have a hard time conceiving of Bernie putting up with Morrissey for long.
I'm sure it would have been a countdown to who would have sacked whom first.
From everything I've read - Marr did not intend to leave the band. He was proud of the work they had done on Strangways and saw it as new direction for the group. He just wanted a break and Morrissey wanted to keep working. Morrissey was hot to get back into the studio to record b-sides for "Girlfriend in a Coma" but was adamant that they record a cover of Cilla Black's "Work is a Four Letter Word" along with "I Keep Mine Hidden".
The final straw was the NME article that said the band was going to split. Marr thought the article had been planted by Morrissey (it had not) and decided to walk.
Their relationship since the band split has been interesting. They actually sat down in late 2008 and almost got back together with Rourke (but not Mike Joyce). The idea was that they would wait for Johnny to honor his touring commitments with the Cribs - but then Morrissey never got back to him.
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