Word. I’m so glad punk came into my life when it did, but if I were still giving a damn about it as a music/fashion scene instead of a change of worldview, all the good it did me would’ve been undone.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Oct 2017, 3:10pmDaredevil will get the reference here, but a recurring line on the series Halt and Catch Fire was "Computers aren't the thing. They're the thing that gets us to the thing." Computers are a means of self-realization. Punk should be appreciated the same way. If you regard punk as some kind of end point, well, yeah, you're probably going to be creating structures of purity and snarling at the unwashed for not being as smart as you. But treat it as a perspective, a revelation, and a tool, and it becomes this wonderful way of looking at the world and becoming more curious about possibilities, and more cynical toward bullshit norms. A means, not an end.
"Punk" elitism...
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Yeah I can relate to this. It started as a singular perspective but ended up being a gateway to a greater/broader view of music, culture etc. I dont think I would have come around to liking some of the music I do if not having the detour thru punk.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Oct 2017, 1:57pmI suspect everyone here went thru that. Discovering punk for me was like a religious awakening—a musical validation for being frustrated and angry about being awkward and unsure yet knowing that the norms I was being taught were bullshit—so I had the obnoxious zeal of the convert. Cast out all my old music (thank you, Napster, for letting me recover some of the better stuff) and just immersed myself in all these great new sounds. And was contemptuous of anyone who didn't get it. Punk ended up being enough of a springboard into plenty of other genres that that arrogant certainty eventually evaporated. You learn that you can be critical and discerning without acting like an Old Testament prophet.WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Oct 2017, 1:36pmI'm sure I displayed some level of punk elitism at some point in my life - maybe 9th grade and then I realized it didn't matter what you listened to.
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Punk was my start point. Prior to that was music put on me by family and friends, punk was my choice.
I agree with Hestons post though, not all punk was good.
I agree with Hestons post though, not all punk was good.
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Mo singular style of music is all good by default right. Its probably all 90% crap across the board and 10% good across the board*.101Walterton wrote: ↑25 Oct 2017, 11:03pmPunk was my start point. Prior to that was music put on me by family and friends, punk was my choice.
I agree with Hestons post though, not all punk was good.
* your mileage may vary.
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I, too, love Crass and the Exploited.
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It took Jeffrey Lewis for me to truely appreciate Crass. I still dont like to listen to them unless one of the ladies is singing.
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I will find you, I will catch you, and I will turn you into Alpo cans.
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Did Lydon write that article under a pseudonym? The Clash have become too universally respected for some. The Pistols are still looked down on by enough people. Believe it or not, Jesse Dylan was having a similar argument with my 23 year old daughter who writes for his company, him saying that The Clash are played out. It was sort of in a marketing context.
That said, MJ just turned down a fortune from Coca Cola for a Clash song to be used in a commercial for the World Cup in Russia. Before anyone asks, I think it was both FIFA and Russia he was not okay with.
That said, MJ just turned down a fortune from Coca Cola for a Clash song to be used in a commercial for the World Cup in Russia. Before anyone asks, I think it was both FIFA and Russia he was not okay with.
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Good on him for sticking to his principles.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 2:36amDid Lydon write that article under a pseudonym? The Clash have become too universally respected for some. The Pistols are still looked down on by enough people. Believe it or not, Jesse Dylan was having a similar argument with my 23 year old daughter who writes for his company, him saying that The Clash are played out. It was sort of in a marketing context.
That said, MJ just turned down a fortune from Coca Cola for a Clash song to be used in a commercial for the World Cup in Russia. Before anyone asks, I think it was both FIFA and Russia he was not okay with.
If it were me I would be drinking Russian vodka and Coca Cola whilst counting FIFA’s dirty money
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The world would be a better place if Mick had allowed Russia/FIFA to use Version City in their multimillion dollar promos, like they wanted.
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Well it can’t be Ivan Meets GI Joe because GI Joe failed to qualify!
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Fine, cut you a deal: 500K for "Atom Tan."Silent Majority wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 6:16amThe world would be a better place if Mick had allowed Russia/FIFA to use Version City in their multimillion dollar promos, like they wanted.
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Ouch!101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 6:24amWell it can’t be Ivan Meets GI Joe because GI Joe failed to qualify!
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...though to be fair...Ivan got his ticket punched for free!WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:03amOuch!101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 6:24amWell it can’t be Ivan Meets GI Joe because GI Joe failed to qualify!
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