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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 2:05pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
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You're not wrong about the type, Doc—the issue here is that the band name and album title are given roughly the same prominence or "weight". The album title is actually even a little MORE important, which is weird for a debut album. It wouldn't be so bad with regular type, but because both are basically logos, it would have been nice to have some differentiation.
Is it generally a faux pas to use two different designs/fonts within the album title like that? Other than their close proximity, isn't it a signal that they are two separate elements?
I can't think of another album which does it like this, but I don't know if I'd call it a faux pas. I might not have chosen that font, but they might have been trying to make a statement, meaning the the two separate elements are intentional ("germfree" is clean and orderly, "adolescents," both in life and typographically, is not). I'd also have chosen to have the two words in the same color to pull it together more, but I think the play for garishness may have been intentional too (although I think the original used different colors from this anyway).
So common colour is a more important unifier than common typography?
Nope it's a mixture of both plus background image or colour
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Re: Covering Album Covers

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Here's an all-time great album cover imho. Any critiques?
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 2:11pm

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Here's an all-time great album cover imho. Any critiques?
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Nope it's simple effective and punk.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 2:14pm

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Here's an all-time great album cover imho. Any critiques?
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Nope it's simple effective and punk.
The thing with punk it wasn't about setting barriers it was about defying rules etc. Its garish greens dayglo yellow lurid pink it's bold brash in your face it's fuck you art world.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Dr. Medulla » 31 Oct 2017, 2:27pm

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Here's an all-time great album cover imho. Any critiques?
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It certainly suggests something else entirely for punk. It's not aggressive or defiant. Muted green wash and hiding the face signals modesty if not defeat. That's not a cover that tells the consumer to be ready to kick some ass, but perhaps instead offering sympathy if not a downer. This ain't your older brother or sister's punk.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 2:30pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 2:27pm
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31 Oct 2017, 2:09pm
Here's an all-time great album cover imho. Any critiques?
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It certainly suggests something else entirely for punk. It's not aggressive or defiant. Muted green wash and hiding the face signals modesty if not defeat. That's not a cover that tells the consumer to be ready to kick some ass, but perhaps instead offering sympathy if not a downer. This ain't your older brother or sister's punk.
Hence only a minor threat .Maybe his head is down in disbelief of the state of music.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Kory » 31 Oct 2017, 2:34pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:58pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:29pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
You're not wrong about the type, Doc—the issue here is that the band name and album title are given roughly the same prominence or "weight". The album title is actually even a little MORE important, which is weird for a debut album. It wouldn't be so bad with regular type, but because both are basically logos, it would have been nice to have some differentiation.
Is it generally a faux pas to use two different designs/fonts within the album title like that? Other than their close proximity, isn't it a signal that they are two separate elements?
I can't think of another album which does it like this, but I don't know if I'd call it a faux pas. I might not have chosen that font, but they might have been trying to make a statement, meaning the the two separate elements are intentional ("germfree" is clean and orderly, "adolescents," both in life and typographically, is not). I'd also have chosen to have the two words in the same color to pull it together more, but I think the play for garishness may have been intentional too (although I think the original used different colors from this anyway).
So common colour is a more important unifier than common typography?
It depends entirely on the application. These are all just tools in one's box for making design work, but I would say generally so. Design has a rich tradition of mixing fonts, and it's one of the hardest things to get right. But if the two lines were the same font, but still different colors, I would personally say that would be less effective that what they have now. But it all depends on context and intent. Different solutions in different environments, for sure.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 2:46pm

Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:58pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:29pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
You're not wrong about the type, Doc—the issue here is that the band name and album title are given roughly the same prominence or "weight". The album title is actually even a little MORE important, which is weird for a debut album. It wouldn't be so bad with regular type, but because both are basically logos, it would have been nice to have some differentiation.
Is it generally a faux pas to use two different designs/fonts within the album title like that? Other than their close proximity, isn't it a signal that they are two separate elements?
I can't think of another album which does it like this, but I don't know if I'd call it a faux pas. I might not have chosen that font, but they might have been trying to make a statement, meaning the the two separate elements are intentional ("germfree" is clean and orderly, "adolescents," both in life and typographically, is not). I'd also have chosen to have the two words in the same color to pull it together more, but I think the play for garishness may have been intentional too (although I think the original used different colors from this anyway).
So common colour is a more important unifier than common typography?
It depends entirely on the application. These are all just tools in one's box for making design work, but I would say generally so. Design has a rich tradition of mixing fonts, and it's one of the hardest things to get right. But if the two lines were the same font, but still different colors, I would personally say that would be less effective that what they have now. But it all depends on context and intent. Different solutions in different environments, for sure.
It's not just about different type fonts and different color. Correct distancing/spacing are equally vital. Also knowng when not to include something.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Dr. Medulla » 31 Oct 2017, 2:52pm

Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:58pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:29pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
You're not wrong about the type, Doc—the issue here is that the band name and album title are given roughly the same prominence or "weight". The album title is actually even a little MORE important, which is weird for a debut album. It wouldn't be so bad with regular type, but because both are basically logos, it would have been nice to have some differentiation.
Is it generally a faux pas to use two different designs/fonts within the album title like that? Other than their close proximity, isn't it a signal that they are two separate elements?
I can't think of another album which does it like this, but I don't know if I'd call it a faux pas. I might not have chosen that font, but they might have been trying to make a statement, meaning the the two separate elements are intentional ("germfree" is clean and orderly, "adolescents," both in life and typographically, is not). I'd also have chosen to have the two words in the same color to pull it together more, but I think the play for garishness may have been intentional too (although I think the original used different colors from this anyway).
So common colour is a more important unifier than common typography?
It depends entirely on the application. These are all just tools in one's box for making design work, but I would say generally so. Design has a rich tradition of mixing fonts, and it's one of the hardest things to get right. But if the two lines were the same font, but still different colors, I would personally say that would be less effective that what they have now. But it all depends on context and intent. Different solutions in different environments, for sure.
Sure sure, art and dogma shouldn't mingle. But that is quite enlightening to me because my instinct would be to think that consistent font type trumps all else. Then again, it's enlightening because that kind of work is so beyond my ken. I can bullshit interpret as well as the next phony, but designing something is just utterly foreign.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 3:00pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 2:52pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:58pm
Kory wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 1:29pm


Is it generally a faux pas to use two different designs/fonts within the album title like that? Other than their close proximity, isn't it a signal that they are two separate elements?
I can't think of another album which does it like this, but I don't know if I'd call it a faux pas. I might not have chosen that font, but they might have been trying to make a statement, meaning the the two separate elements are intentional ("germfree" is clean and orderly, "adolescents," both in life and typographically, is not). I'd also have chosen to have the two words in the same color to pull it together more, but I think the play for garishness may have been intentional too (although I think the original used different colors from this anyway).
So common colour is a more important unifier than common typography?
It depends entirely on the application. These are all just tools in one's box for making design work, but I would say generally so. Design has a rich tradition of mixing fonts, and it's one of the hardest things to get right. But if the two lines were the same font, but still different colors, I would personally say that would be less effective that what they have now. But it all depends on context and intent. Different solutions in different environments, for sure.
Sure sure, art and dogma shouldn't mingle. But that is quite enlightening to me because my instinct would be to think that consistent font type trumps all else. Then again, it's enlightening because that kind of work is so beyond my ken. I can bullshit interpret as well as the next phony, but designing something is just utterly foreign.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Dr. Medulla » 31 Oct 2017, 3:05pm

Marky Dread wrote:
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So easy grab a flag a pink one preferably and run to the top of the hill and place the flag up a flag pole. Then run back down the hill and take a picture.
The point is, that's just not how my mind works. That's why I've been quizzing Kory on this stuff, as someone trained in design. I'll never be able to do it myself, but I would like to understand a bit better the rationale behind choices.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 3:20pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:00pm
So easy grab a flag a pink one preferably and run to the top of the hill and place the flag up a flag pole. Then run back down the hill and take a picture.
The point is, that's just not how my mind works. That's why I've been quizzing Kory on this stuff, as someone trained in design. I'll never be able to do it myself, but I would like to understand a bit better the rationale behind choices.
The thing is you would. Many tools to make it easy these days. It's the idea that matters just as much as the execution. If we are still talking about cover art. Business world is a different beast.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Dr. Medulla » 31 Oct 2017, 3:30pm

Marky Dread wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:20pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:00pm
So easy grab a flag a pink one preferably and run to the top of the hill and place the flag up a flag pole. Then run back down the hill and take a picture.
The point is, that's just not how my mind works. That's why I've been quizzing Kory on this stuff, as someone trained in design. I'll never be able to do it myself, but I would like to understand a bit better the rationale behind choices.
The thing is you would. Many tools to make it easy these days. It's the idea that matters just as much as the execution. If we are still talking about cover art. Business world is a different beast.
It's not a question of tools—I've acquired all kinds of software—but I don't have that eye and instinct. I mean, I'm fine with that—one doesn't expect to be good at everything they'd like to be—but I'm curious enough that I like to know how the process works, the rationale behind it.
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Re: Covering Album Covers

Post by Marky Dread » 31 Oct 2017, 3:42pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:30pm
Marky Dread wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:20pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
31 Oct 2017, 3:00pm
So easy grab a flag a pink one preferably and run to the top of the hill and place the flag up a flag pole. Then run back down the hill and take a picture.
The point is, that's just not how my mind works. That's why I've been quizzing Kory on this stuff, as someone trained in design. I'll never be able to do it myself, but I would like to understand a bit better the rationale behind choices.
The thing is you would. Many tools to make it easy these days. It's the idea that matters just as much as the execution. If we are still talking about cover art. Business world is a different beast.
It's not a question of tools—I've acquired all kinds of software—but I don't have that eye and instinct. I mean, I'm fine with that—one doesn't expect to be good at everything they'd like to be—but I'm curious enough that I like to know how the process works, the rationale behind it.
Sure but to say you can't do it is so defeatest. Especially as you are the guy who likes all those indie albums with odd covers. I mean anyone could pick up a camera point it at something you like a go click. A tree or a branch taken up close or pattern on a rock and there's your cover art. There are no rules to what looks good. That even counts regarding the font. Once an artist picks a font they then become associated with it. The Smiths are a prime example of this.
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