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Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 08 May 2017, 9:21am
by JennyB
The Rodney Bingenheimer doc is really good.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 08 May 2017, 11:22am
by JohnS
There's one rockumentary that everyone HAS to watch, and that's not just because (ahem) I was one of the producers
(well, along with several hundred other idiots who pledged money to get it made)
'Otway - The Movie'

http://otwaythemovie.com/home.html

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 08 May 2017, 1:41pm
by coffeepotman
JennyB wrote:
08 May 2017, 9:21am
The Rodney Bingenheimer doc is really good.
The Mayor of Sunset Strip? Very good...a little sad

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 08 May 2017, 6:39pm
by revbob
JennyB wrote:
08 May 2017, 9:21am
The Rodney Bingenheimer doc is really good.
I'd never heard of him just read the wikipedia write up, thanks JennyB.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 09 May 2017, 10:02am
by JennyB
revbob wrote:
08 May 2017, 6:39pm
JennyB wrote:
08 May 2017, 9:21am
The Rodney Bingenheimer doc is really good.
I'd never heard of him just read the wikipedia write up, thanks JennyB.
You're welcome. As Coffeepotman said, it's really good but kind of sad.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 10 May 2017, 12:51pm
by coffeepotman
Just watched the Rodney doc again last night and it was really sad but a very good move. Here is a list from Rollingstone magazine of some good docs, I don't agree with all of it but there are some good ones here. http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/list ... s-20140815

Right now I'm digging Urgh and X the Unheard Music

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 6:14pm
by 101Walterton
Watched a doco on Pet Sounds last night. What is it with this board and Mike Love?
He talked about him being accused of not liking or not rating Pet Sounds but he denied that.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 6:20pm
by Dr. Medulla
101Walterton wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:14pm
Watched a doco on Pet Sounds last night. What is it with this board and Mike Love?
He talked about him being accused of not liking or not rating Pet Sounds but he denied that.
He's lying. He is quite open in evaluating music based on its level of commercial success, and Pet Sounds was not commercial, especially in relation to past Beach Boys' hits. That Pet Sounds is understood to be a classic, watershed album now has forced him to toe the line lest he come off as a complete boor, but in his heart of hearts he believes "Kokomo" is superior to every on that album because it sold better.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 6:40pm
by revbob
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:20pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:14pm
Watched a doco on Pet Sounds last night. What is it with this board and Mike Love?
He talked about him being accused of not liking or not rating Pet Sounds but he denied that.
He's lying. He is quite open in evaluating music based on its level of commercial success, and Pet Sounds was not commercial, especially in relation to past Beach Boys' hits. That Pet Sounds is understood to be a classic, watershed album now has forced him to toe the line lest he come off as a complete boor, but in his heart of hearts he believes "Kokomo" is superior to every on that album because it sold better.
I've never listened to Pet Sounds does is live up to the hype?

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 6:56pm
by Dr. Medulla
revbob wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:20pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:14pm
Watched a doco on Pet Sounds last night. What is it with this board and Mike Love?
He talked about him being accused of not liking or not rating Pet Sounds but he denied that.
He's lying. He is quite open in evaluating music based on its level of commercial success, and Pet Sounds was not commercial, especially in relation to past Beach Boys' hits. That Pet Sounds is understood to be a classic, watershed album now has forced him to toe the line lest he come off as a complete boor, but in his heart of hearts he believes "Kokomo" is superior to every on that album because it sold better.
I've never listened to Pet Sounds does is live up to the hype?
I respect it more than I like it (with the exception of the more notable tracks). But I'm not more than a casual BB listener, so there's that. But appreciating it in historical context, it was like no other pop album that had been released, let alone something by a surf pop band. Dylan and the Beatles usually get the most credit for making rock n roll serious—art, really—but PS has an equal or greater claim.

(Flex, obviously, will be able to make an articulate advocation of PS.)

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 7:00pm
by 101Walterton
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:56pm
revbob wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:40pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:20pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 May 2017, 6:14pm
Watched a doco on Pet Sounds last night. What is it with this board and Mike Love?
He talked about him being accused of not liking or not rating Pet Sounds but he denied that.
He's lying. He is quite open in evaluating music based on its level of commercial success, and Pet Sounds was not commercial, especially in relation to past Beach Boys' hits. That Pet Sounds is understood to be a classic, watershed album now has forced him to toe the line lest he come off as a complete boor, but in his heart of hearts he believes "Kokomo" is superior to every on that album because it sold better.
I've never listened to Pet Sounds does is live up to the hype?
I respect it more than I like it (with the exception of the more notable tracks). But I'm not more than a casual BB listener, so there's that. But appreciating it in historical context, it was like no other pop album that had been released, let alone something by a surf pop band. Dylan and the Beatles usually get the most credit for making rock n roll serious—art, really—but PS has an equal or greater claim.

(Flex, obviously, will be able to make an articulate advocation of PS.)
Good assessment. Probably hearing it now will not have same impact as it would at the time. I like some of the tracks in it but I am not a fan of BB although happy to hear them on the radio.
Great doco worth watching. Brian Wilson very clever man.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 7:07pm
by 101Walterton
What Love said in the doco was that the BB had a formula that worked and they sold a lot of records. Upon hearing PS he appreciated it for what it was but was worried that it would kill the BB as it was do far off their formula. It took 15 years to go Plstinum so I gues he was right in some respect although obviously didn't harm the BB long term.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 7:17pm
by Dr. Medulla
101Walterton wrote:
19 May 2017, 7:07pm
What Love said in the doco was that the BB had a formula that worked and they sold a lot of records. Upon hearing PS he appreciated it for what it was but was worried that it would kill the BB as it was do far off their formula. It took 15 years to go Plstinum so I gues he was right in some respect although obviously didn't harm the BB long term.
I can believe that he appreciates the respect in retrospect—if only because it's sold well over the years—but it's no minor point that he spends more time talking about the genius of "Kokomo" than any other album or song. PS just doesn't rank highly to him because it didn't contribute to the hit-making machine. He has an accountant's appreciation of music.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 8:05pm
by revbob
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 May 2017, 7:17pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 May 2017, 7:07pm
What Love said in the doco was that the BB had a formula that worked and they sold a lot of records. Upon hearing PS he appreciated it for what it was but was worried that it would kill the BB as it was do far off their formula. It took 15 years to go Plstinum so I gues he was right in some respect although obviously didn't harm the BB long term.
I can believe that he appreciates the respect in retrospect—if only because it's sold well over the years—but it's no minor point that he spends more time talking about the genius of "Kokomo" than any other album or song. PS just doesn't rank highly to him because it didn't contribute to the hit-making machine. He has an accountant's appreciation of music.
I really think Kokomo could be used to provoke rage or revulsion in any normal person (can there honestly be any other acceptable reaction?). If Clockwork Orange were made today Kokomo would be used to send Alex into fits of vomiting.

Re: I have An Addiction

Posted: 19 May 2017, 8:09pm
by Dr. Medulla
revbob wrote:
19 May 2017, 8:05pm
I really think Kokomo could be used to provoke rage or revulsion in any normal person (can there honestly be any other acceptable reaction?). If Clockwork Orange were made today Kokomo would be used to send Alex into fits of vomiting.
It is a legitimate contender for worst song of the 80s (well-known songs, anyway). The only perverse quasi-redeeming quality is the insane pride that Mike Love has for it, which turns it into comedy.