A poll

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Pick Your Favourite

Jerry Garcia
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13%
David Crosby
14
88%
 
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Re: A poll

Post by Flex » 08 Dec 2016, 11:41pm

matedog wrote:It's reputation is bottom of the barrel, right?
Yeah. It's not much better than its reputation, but I think Bob a few slightly more unlistenable albums.
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Re: A poll

Post by Wolter » 09 Dec 2016, 12:21am

Byrds: Awesome
CSN(Y): Not My Thing, But a Few Decent Songs
Grateful Dead: Boring Noodly Bullshit

The Dead hold the distinction of being the one 60s band I had strong negative feelings about before I ever even heard a punk song. I had friends just getting into them when I was like 11 or 12 and they played Workingman's Dead for me and I was appalled at how fucking dull it was.
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Re: A poll

Post by white man » 09 Dec 2016, 9:40am

Heston wrote:David Crosby was in the motherfucking Byrds, one of the best American bands ever. Not even sure if I've heard a Grateful Dead song, don't think I'd want to.
Don't think i could even name one mate. Think they are an American thing.

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Re: A poll

Post by Heston » 09 Dec 2016, 12:13pm

white man wrote:
Heston wrote:David Crosby was in the motherfucking Byrds, one of the best American bands ever. Not even sure if I've heard a Grateful Dead song, don't think I'd want to.
Don't think i could even name one mate. Think they are an American thing.
Yeah, they seem to have no form over here whatsoever.

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Re: A poll

Post by Rat Patrol » 09 Dec 2016, 1:05pm

white man wrote:
Heston wrote:David Crosby was in the motherfucking Byrds, one of the best American bands ever. Not even sure if I've heard a Grateful Dead song, don't think I'd want to.
Don't think i could even name one mate. Think they are an American thing.
They aren't even an American thing. 95% of the country only knows them musically for 1987's "Touch of Grey" and accompanying smash-hit MTV video...a complete aberration of an 80's pop hit that sounds absolutely nothing like anything else they ever did. All the rest of their mindshare was just the "Dead, Inc." traveling freakshow and all the Republican baby boomers for whom Dead, Inc. was a metaphor for forcing their midlife crises on the world. You never actually heard a note of music all the times Entertainment Tonight covered them on their latest $35/seat arena tour. I don't think I heard a single non-"Touch of Grey" song by theirs in full until watching PBS at 3:46am one night in the mid-90's and catching a rebroadcast of some coked-out UK show from 1981. It was completely formless.


Phish is much the same way. Everybody knows them as a traveling corporation...nobody is capable as so much as humming a few notes from their songs because noodling that boring is physically incapable of leaving a memory impression.
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Re: A poll

Post by Wolter » 09 Dec 2016, 1:13pm

Rat Patrol wrote:
white man wrote:
Heston wrote:David Crosby was in the motherfucking Byrds, one of the best American bands ever. Not even sure if I've heard a Grateful Dead song, don't think I'd want to.
Don't think i could even name one mate. Think they are an American thing.
They aren't even an American thing. 95% of the country only knows them musically for 1987's "Touch of Grey" and accompanying smash-hit MTV video...a complete aberration of an 80's pop hit that sounds absolutely nothing like anything else they ever did. All the rest of their mindshare was just the "Dead, Inc." traveling freakshow and all the Republican baby boomers for whom Dead, Inc. was a metaphor for forcing their midlife crises on the world. You never actually heard a note of music all the times Entertainment Tonight covered them on their latest $35/seat arena tour. I don't think I heard a single non-"Touch of Grey" song by theirs in full until watching PBS at 3:46am one night in the mid-90's and catching a rebroadcast of some coked-out UK show from 1981. It was completely formless.


Phish is much the same way. Everybody knows them as a traveling corporation...nobody is capable as so much as humming a few notes from their songs because noodling that boring is physically incapable of leaving a memory impression.
When Garcia died, I think the Onion had a story like "Jerry Garcia Finally Ends 27-Year-Long Guitar Solo." And yeah. I can name literally 4 of their songs: Touch of Grey, because it was on MTV and actually has a hook (Dead fans hate it), Casey Jones (of which I only know the first line "Riding That Train, High On Cocaine"), Truckin', because not even Dwight Yoakum could turn it into a cover song I gave a damn about, and Scarlet Begonias, because my ex-roommate really liked the Sublime cover of it in 1996.

I cannot actually tell you how the latter three actually sound. I just know they exist as songs.
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Re: A poll

Post by JennyB » 09 Dec 2016, 1:33pm

Wolter wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:
white man wrote:
Heston wrote:David Crosby was in the motherfucking Byrds, one of the best American bands ever. Not even sure if I've heard a Grateful Dead song, don't think I'd want to.
Don't think i could even name one mate. Think they are an American thing.
They aren't even an American thing. 95% of the country only knows them musically for 1987's "Touch of Grey" and accompanying smash-hit MTV video...a complete aberration of an 80's pop hit that sounds absolutely nothing like anything else they ever did. All the rest of their mindshare was just the "Dead, Inc." traveling freakshow and all the Republican baby boomers for whom Dead, Inc. was a metaphor for forcing their midlife crises on the world. You never actually heard a note of music all the times Entertainment Tonight covered them on their latest $35/seat arena tour. I don't think I heard a single non-"Touch of Grey" song by theirs in full until watching PBS at 3:46am one night in the mid-90's and catching a rebroadcast of some coked-out UK show from 1981. It was completely formless.


Phish is much the same way. Everybody knows them as a traveling corporation...nobody is capable as so much as humming a few notes from their songs because noodling that boring is physically incapable of leaving a memory impression.
When Garcia died, I think the Onion had a story like "Jerry Garcia Finally Ends 27-Year-Long Guitar Solo." And yeah. I can name literally 4 of their songs: Touch of Grey, because it was on MTV and actually has a hook (Dead fans hate it), Casey Jones (of which I only know the first line "Riding That Train, High On Cocaine"), Truckin', because not even Dwight Yoakum could turn it into a cover song I gave a damn about, and Scarlet Begonias, because my ex-roommate really liked the Sublime cover of it in 1996.

I cannot actually tell you how the latter three actually sound. I just know they exist as songs.
One of the reasons I have also actively disliked them for decades is because of their fanbase. I don't care much about the hippies - whatever, they can do what they want. But I think they are actually few and far between. Most people I am aware of (and this is throughout high school, college, and adulthood) that are GD fans are rich, jocky, white, frat boy assholes. The guy who sexually harassed me my entire senior year of high school, drove a BMW, set fire to a kid once, etc. (picture James Spader's character from Pretty in Pink without the charm or looks) was a huge deadhead. The fact that their music is terrible is merely icing on the cake.
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Re: A poll

Post by Wolter » 09 Dec 2016, 3:08pm

JennyB wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:
white man wrote:
Heston wrote:David Crosby was in the motherfucking Byrds, one of the best American bands ever. Not even sure if I've heard a Grateful Dead song, don't think I'd want to.
Don't think i could even name one mate. Think they are an American thing.
They aren't even an American thing. 95% of the country only knows them musically for 1987's "Touch of Grey" and accompanying smash-hit MTV video...a complete aberration of an 80's pop hit that sounds absolutely nothing like anything else they ever did. All the rest of their mindshare was just the "Dead, Inc." traveling freakshow and all the Republican baby boomers for whom Dead, Inc. was a metaphor for forcing their midlife crises on the world. You never actually heard a note of music all the times Entertainment Tonight covered them on their latest $35/seat arena tour. I don't think I heard a single non-"Touch of Grey" song by theirs in full until watching PBS at 3:46am one night in the mid-90's and catching a rebroadcast of some coked-out UK show from 1981. It was completely formless.


Phish is much the same way. Everybody knows them as a traveling corporation...nobody is capable as so much as humming a few notes from their songs because noodling that boring is physically incapable of leaving a memory impression.
When Garcia died, I think the Onion had a story like "Jerry Garcia Finally Ends 27-Year-Long Guitar Solo." And yeah. I can name literally 4 of their songs: Touch of Grey, because it was on MTV and actually has a hook (Dead fans hate it), Casey Jones (of which I only know the first line "Riding That Train, High On Cocaine"), Truckin', because not even Dwight Yoakum could turn it into a cover song I gave a damn about, and Scarlet Begonias, because my ex-roommate really liked the Sublime cover of it in 1996.

I cannot actually tell you how the latter three actually sound. I just know they exist as songs.
One of the reasons I have also actively disliked them for decades is because of their fanbase. I don't care much about the hippies - whatever, they can do what they want. But I think they are actually few and far between. Most people I am aware of (and this is throughout high school, college, and adulthood) that are GD fans are rich, jocky, white, frat boy assholes. The guy who sexually harassed me my entire senior year of high school, drove a BMW, set fire to a kid once, etc. (picture James Spader's character from Pretty in Pink without the charm or looks) was a huge deadhead. The fact that their music is terrible is merely icing on the cake.
Oh yeah. Most of the preppy assholes I went to high school and college with either listened to jam band bullshit or its cousin, DMB-style earnest pseudo-jam band wank.
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Re: A poll

Post by matedog » 09 Dec 2016, 4:06pm

Wolter wrote:And yeah. I can name literally 4 of their songs: Touch of Grey, because it was on MTV and actually has a hook (Dead fans hate it), Casey Jones (of which I only know the first line "Riding That Train, High On Cocaine"), Truckin', because not even Dwight Yoakum could turn it into a cover song I gave a damn about, and Scarlet Begonias, because my ex-roommate really liked the Sublime cover of it in 1996.
So much this. That Sublime cover is tasty too. There is a song called "Dark Star." I have no idea what it sounds like but I know it is a song. So, I've seen them live, I read the drummer's autobiography (given to me because, "he's a drummer, you're a drummer"), and my siblings owned their cds and I still only know five songs and only know what two of those songs really sound like (Grey and Case Jones).

One of the inspectors in my company is a big deadhead and an actual hippie. Grows pot and lives in the mountains. Great guy and definitely the stereotypical deadhead. My mom would fit the pseudo deadhead description discussed earlier. I've probably mentioned this before, but she used to wear a GD shirt around the house in the early 90's. I prodded her a few years ago about that saying she was probably one of the yuppies turned onto them because of Touch of Grey. She finally caved in and said she saw them in a private box and was bored out of her mind during the show.
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Re: A poll

Post by matedog » 09 Dec 2016, 4:09pm

Oh and I don't know jack shit about CSNY either. There's that one song "everybody look what's going round" and "Ohio" which, meh.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: A poll

Post by muppet hi fi » 09 Dec 2016, 5:08pm

David Crosby because Neil Young was able to tolerate him.

I don't get the Dead's appeal at all.

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Post by revbob » 09 Dec 2016, 11:00pm

matedog wrote:Oh and I don't know jack shit about CSNY either. There's that one song "everybody look what's going round" and "Ohio" which, meh.
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Re: A poll

Post by Wolter » 09 Dec 2016, 11:53pm

muppet hi fi wrote: I don't get the Dead's appeal at all.
I have a few Deadhead friends and acquaintances, and I always feel like Jane Goodall around them. I don't understand them, but maybe if I take enough notes I'll figure it out.
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Re: A poll

Post by muppet hi fi » 10 Dec 2016, 12:27am

Wolter wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote: I don't get the Dead's appeal at all.
I have a few Deadhead friends and acquaintances, and I always feel like Jane Goodall around them. I don't understand them, but maybe if I take enough notes I'll figure it out.
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Re: A poll

Post by revbob » 10 Dec 2016, 11:28am

Wolter wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote: I don't get the Dead's appeal at all.
I have a few Deadhead friends and acquaintances, and I always feel like Jane Goodall around them. I don't understand them, but maybe if I take enough notes I'll figure it out.
I love in a place where deadheads and Phishheads breed like flies on piles of stinking garbage. I stopped trying to understand thrm a long time ago.

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